The White Tower [Archive Thread]

KingODuckingham · Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:25 pm

THE WHITE TOWER
[ARCHIVE THREAD]

The Palantir housed in this Tower will give us a glimpse into the past. The purpose of this thread is to archive the remaining pieces of the old Plaza that are relevant to Gondor's history. Much is lost, and many links broken on the Wayback Machine. People might like to work on compiling and restoring as much of the history as possible. Whether it be icons, banners, working links to old threads, records and lists, or whatever seems important, funny, or memorable from Gondor's history, you are encouraged to post it here. Archive digging is an ongoing work in progress. Please enjoy this trip down memory lane.

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KingODuckingham · Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:58 pm

I am, as in the other kingdoms, organizing these posts mostly by year. So this post is for 2002.

Merethrond "Hall of Feasts" -- Mormegil as Aragorn King and a Vaire poetry Maia icon on display in this thread.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701163 ... Position=1

Ideas Page 2 -- Too many ideas for just one thread! Gilraen as Arwen Evenstar
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701163 ... Position=1

Down the Rabbit Hole -- Apparently you could just open up a personal RP thread? I'm not sure, but the OP seems amazed and confused that other people even posted lol
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701165 ... picID=8640

Did Arwen Regret It? -- One of what I believe is many discussion topics related to Gondor back in the early days.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701165 ... Position=1

Merethrond ll -- I love the explanation of what RP is expected in the intro to this thread. "Think of it as an intense kind of make believe."
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701164 ... Position=1

Writing pens at the ready -- This thread looks cool, and the link-in-thread still works! Fascinating stuff.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020701164 ... Position=1

To Huan...and all Gondorians -- At this point, Elwing is Aragorn King with a different icon.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908233 ... Position=1

All-Celebrity Mud-Wrestling Tourney III -- First post I found with colors!
https://web.archive.org/web/20020909011 ... icID=14809

Lore thread: the creation of Gondor towers. -- Mormegil, former Aragorn, with his old Manwe admin icon here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908231 ... Position=1

Treasure Hunt! -- A collaborative story writing.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908232 ... Position=1

Merethrond XI -- Dunno where III through X went, lost forever I suppose
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908231 ... Position=1

The Training grounds -- 'Ladies and gents the training ground is fast becoming an automatic points machine please stop' LOL
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908233 ... Position=1

Gondorian Riddles VII -- Bum some ancient riddles off of this thread, eh?

https://web.archive.org/web/20020908230 ... Position=1

Cair Loriatha (The City on the River) -- Sweet banner/picture thing in the OP
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908232 ... Position=1

Ranger Headquarters XXX -- If there was one thing consistent across the madness of 2002, it was ranks.
https://web.archive.org/web/20020908233 ... Position=1

Kingdom Web Pages -- @Nienna Is this you or a different Nienna? I feel like it's a common enough name but maybe not, dunno

https://web.archive.org/web/20020908234 ... Position=1

A Glimpse Through Valinor’s Gates -- An old Nienna icon appears in this thread, along with chat logs.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026093 ... Position=1

Gondorians Riddels x -- Gwaihir as Lady Arwen Evenstar
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026092 ... Position=1

Telcontar’s Tavern -- I think this is supposed to be a pub? But reading the posts just makes my head spin.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026092 ... Position=1

The White City’s Pavilion -- A sort of proto-ruler's thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026092 ... Position=1

Editor’s Office (Newspaper Contributions) -- A super early newsletter thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026094 ... Position=1

Rangers Headguarters XXXVI -- How many headquarters can one group of Rangers have? Also it's not me making these thread title typos, I think they couldn't edit thread titles back then.
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026094 ... Position=1

Dor Moretirith Revisited -- For a tour, go to geocities LOL
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026094 ... Position=1

Merethrond XVII -- Some stumbling newbie in this thread, aww
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026094 ... Position=1

Glorious and Glamorous Gondorians -- Two pictures in this thread, and one is of a hedgehog haha
https://web.archive.org/web/20021026091 ... Position=1

Dovecote -- Laielinwen as Arwen Evenstar, Elwing has a Varda icon at this point, you can see it in the thread.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030516211 ... Position=1

That does seem to be all that will load for 2002, but it's not such a bad haul, lots of interesting stuff there to peruse.

KingODuckingham · Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:09 pm

2003 in the other kingdoms has a LOT of threads that open iirc so this might be split into more than one post just dependent on my own time. Here we go!
2003

Minas Tirith’s Diaries -- A thread in Gondor opened by Gandalf!? What wizard would dare open a thread in Minas Tirith!?
https://web.archive.org/web/20030516210 ... Position=1

Laielinwen’s Poetry Palace -- Wow it's a poetry contest! Not sure what it was about old plaza but having things judged and contested was so common. Not that I'm saying it's wrong to do that.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030516211 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters LXXXVI -- The first two of the three sub-links in the opening post load as well, if you're curious.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030504204 ... Position=1

The Search for Arteris (A Newbie’s Quest) IX -- Great to have some stuff for the newbies! Not like the posts here are any lower quality than mine

https://web.archive.org/web/20030504204 ... Position=1

Supreme Court of M.T. - the Trial Continues -- Gandalf is on trial here!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030504205 ... Position=1

The Minas Tirith Diaries IV -- Another diary thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20030504205 ... Position=1

Rivvy Spies/Rangers Arda Expedition RPG -- "Eru was kind enough to honor my request for more thread space on the pages." Eru bless himself!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030504203 ... Position=1

Welcome to the Middle-Earth Olympics -- I keep linking this thread because it was posted in every kingdom.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030504205 ... Position=1

Quest for Boromir’s Boat IV -- Limited not just to Gondorians, but Gondorians with 230 points or more!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720232 ... Position=1

Training Grounds 18 -- Much better posts than the 2002 version!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720232 ... Position=1

M.E Olympic Cart Race - Construction Day -- Naith as Aragorn now. Also, an Olympics thread that actually loads!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030617143 ... Position=1

Dor Moretirith - Les Jeux Sont Fait -- Assassin Rangers!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720232 ... Position=1

Naith’s Tower of Tales in the Telling -- A storytelling thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720232 ... Position=1

Merethrond XXVIII -- The earliest color coded thread title I could find.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720233 ... Position=1

Middle-Earth Olympics - Debate VI -- A special debate thread. Beebs as Samwise in there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720233 ... Position=1

The Gondorian Debaters’ Den II---Argyle-mania -- A debate 'workshop'
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720234 ... Position=1

Middle-Earth Olympics~Tag-Team Writing Event I -- Minas Tirith is truly blessed, for most (okay, some, more than one) of the Olympics threads load
https://web.archive.org/web/20030719161 ... Position=1

Gondorian Riddles XXXIX -- More riddles!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720233 ... Position=1

M.E Olympic Cart Race : The Path of Symbols -- Seems more interesting than the usual IK races.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720234 ... Position=1

Gondor’s Newbie Helpdesk : XXIII -- Some useful abbreviation translations provided in this thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720233 ... Position=1

Middle-Earth Olympics~The Riddle Event -- Also more interesting than its everyday counterpart. I love the plazalympics!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030720234 ... Position=1

Only halfway through the year, but the threads are piling up thick and fast! I'll be back later today (hopefully) to finish off the capture pages from August and December.

KingODuckingham · Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:40 am

I'm back for the second half of 2003! Hopefully I haven't jinxed us with only like 2 threads opening...
2003, pt. 2

The Pub of Arwen and Elrond -- Cute Lego banner in the OP
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Gondor’s Newbie Helpdesk : XXIV -- Not really that different from the previous one...
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith City Hall XXIII -- Ruler thread!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826113 ... Position=1

The Pub of Battles Past -- I guess Lego pubs were in vogue in 2003, why aren't they now?
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826111 ... Position=1

All Gondorians ~ Webpage updates II -- Some fascinating IRL bios. I'd tag anyone if I spotted them, but maybe I missed you, I don't know my Gondorians half as well as I should like.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

The Minas Tirith Diaries VII -- It's funny that the OP for the diaries was c/p'ed into the new thread so many times that Gandalf's icon has changed by now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826111 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith's Mail ~ The Roquen Express II -- Some art that might be useful, maybe?
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Gondorian Debaters’ Den III---"The Great Debate" -- Young Hoth in here sporting a Minas Tirith icon and less than 2,5k points d'awww
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826113 ... Position=1

IK Debate-- Week 1-- KD at MT -- Awesome, the rare complete debate thread preserved! And Minas Tirith won too!
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826110 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith’s Newbie Helpdesk: XXV -- These are really good at loading, if only they were more interesting to read.

https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Spy/Ranger AE RPG Part VII -- When they first posted this they promised it would be short, yet here we are on part VII months later....
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826110 ... Position=1

The Shrine of the Valar Inn -- Pubs fill the front page of this capture, and they all load.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

The Queen’s Caption Contest IX -- Ah, yes, the classic: caption contest with a vanished picture. What do you suppose the picture was?
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters CII -- OK honestly I don't have the time but I'm curious how many HQ's you could get to load, since I'm now two for two on being able to load the previous thread, even though I can't find it on a kingdom page capture. This is HQ 102, so there's potentially a ton of archived stuff that saved but is otherwise impossible to find without knowing the URL in advance. Anyone?
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826112 ... Position=1

Training Grounds 20 -- You had to be promoted like 4 times to even count as a member, yowza, that's a long internship.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826111 ... Position=1

Quest for Boromir’s Boat VII ~ Peril at Pelargir -- Glad threads like these load sometimes, they're the most unique and interesting sorts of threads
https://web.archive.org/web/20030826114 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters CXVIII -- Naith's icon had been updated at this point, it seems.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040101014 ... Position=1
I provide also a link to what appears to be a plaza house for the Rangers:
https://web.archive.org/web/20031206000 ... p?house=50

The Dungeon : Hall of Shame -- What a title, what a thread honestly
https://web.archive.org/web/20040328125 ... Position=1

That's all I could find...stuff stops loading well at the end of the year, although at least they had the decency to not-load quickly instead of making me spin my wheels for forever waiting.

Esme · Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:39 pm

@KingODuckingham oh my.... thank you, Ducky, I'm feeling old now! yup, there was and is no other Nienna than me, aside from the admin-Niennas who came and went.
Reading all that is bringing back fond memories.

KingODuckingham · Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:04 pm

Alright, bit of a jump because the first capture this year isn't till April.
2004

Gondor’s Spring Tuilérë Cruise: Catherine’s Dead -- Yeah you'd think Gondorians might avoid boats between Boromir's boat adventure and the Corsairs, but I guess not. Boromir, Isildur, and 2004 Peeg icon all on display here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040724101 ... Position=1

Dor Moretirith - Danger Abounds -- Unfortunately the link to the previous thread they provide doesn't work. Also yeesh with the huge bolded black posts Naith

https://web.archive.org/web/20040310150 ... Position=1

WTR (May)~ Editor’s Office is Open -- As kingdom newsletters go, this one is HUGE
https://web.archive.org/web/20040705210 ... Position=1

Special Merethrond : Return of the Queen -- Lots of fancy icons on display here, though Gollum being Warden of the Keys rank is obviously a bug.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040705205 ... Position=1

The Tower Guard XVIII -- Such a cool banner
https://web.archive.org/web/20040705221 ... Position=1

Alright well I won't delete the three links above but I'm realizing that with the following exceptions, listed below in ascending order, that every thread on the following page capture loads, so it's easier just to provide the kingdom page link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040604172 ... ForumID=32

The Horn of Gondor XXI
Tower Guard of the Reserves XXVIII
Rangers’ Headquarters CXLV
Training Grounds 32

Similarly, every single page, without exception, loads on the following web capture. I know this means people have to do their own digging for particular threads, and I'm sorry, but it would take so long and actually make this thread harder to read if I listed an extra 24-odd threads individually. This is August 3rd.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040803165 ... ForumID=32

Laie’s Poetry Palace - Summer in the White City -- A Poetry contest
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010011 ... Position=1

Last Alliance RPG ~ Sign Ups -- This thread contains a copy (or summary?) of the original Imladris Convention rules, if you're curious.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040803221 ... Position=1

Glorious and Glamorous Gondorians IV -- A thread cut very short by when it was archived, is not just a picture thread.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040803221 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith’s Library II -- Beregond and Alatar both on display in this thread.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010012 ... Position=1

The Horn of Gondor XXXI -- A pub thread, non-Gondorians HAVE to explain why they are there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050413082 ... Position=1

Alright, there's still quite a ways to go in 2004, but I've run out of posting time for the moment. Be back later!

NPF was here

KingODuckingham · Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:30 pm

Continuing on, picking up in the October capture:
2004

Web Page Updates ~ Bios, Marketplace... -- Not much to see here, but recording for posterity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010010 ... Position=1

Marketplace Apprenticeship Program III -- Wow this might be the most in-depth thing I've ever seen on the plaza.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010013 ... Position=1

All Gondorians ~ Webpage updates II -- Biographies, mostly. An Anarion icon on display here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013031 ... Position=1

Mordor’s Middle-Earth Olympics -- Amazing event names lol
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013025 ... Position=1

The Minas Tirith Marketplace XX -- "We have 21 new shops" o.O
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010043 ... Position=1

The White Tree Registry ~ 29th Edition -- Rohanna as Witch-King, but for some reason with a balrog icon, buggy again. The consistency with which the Warden of the Keys appears as Gollum too...
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013021 ... Position=1

The Rangers’ Competition - Callout -- Big old Ranger contest! signup thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010030 ... Position=1

Gondorian Riddles LXX I -- LXX ...... I
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013030 ... Position=1

The Gondorian Games Room - The Maze of Madness -- First time I saw the newer Arwen Evenstar icon for Laie. Unfortunately the Hurin special rank doesn't load. Denethor does though.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050320010 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith Olympic Banners Contest -- A whole thread just to make a banner. Because it's for the Olympics!
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013025 ... Position=1

Southern Storm & Northern Wind RPG ~ VII -- I'm bummed we don't have all the other parts for this RPG. Also Naith's updated? icon doesn't load.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013022 ... Position=1

Southern Storm & Northern Wind ~ Fire & Stone III -- Older Vaire icon in this thread, as well as Eomer a bit further down.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041013030 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters CLVII -- Yet another HQ.
https://web.archive.org/web/20041010024 ... Position=1

Training Grounds 38 -- Yet another Training Grounds
https://web.archive.org/web/20050501040 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters CLX -- And yet another HQ. All these unique and cool looking threads that won't load, and yet this one...ah well, better than nothing.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050501142 ... Position=1

Thus concludes 2004.

KingODuckingham · Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:25 am

In my experience so far, 2005 and 2006 have been dead years in the middle as far as archiving is concerned, likely because of the switch over to the then-new plaza on Jan. 1st 2007. But we're still going to grab everything we can! And who knows, maybe we'll get lucky.
2005

Training Grounds 39 -- The colors in this post hurt my eyes good gracious.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

The Ranger Competition: Obstacle Course -- Not just the sign-up, but an actual thread of Ranger competition!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050427051 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith’s Mail~ The Roquen Express XXI -- A post office! With many peoples' addresses still listed in the OP, fun.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith hosts Rohan- IK Poetry -- A super-rare complete IK poetry thread! This is a rare find!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050508161 ... Position=1

Dor Moretirith - Training Game -- I would have sworn in an earlier thread they called themselves assassins, but now they don't, and they fight assassins. Maybe I misread, or maybe there was a rebrand at some point?
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

MT Chutes & Lore Ladders III~3-legged Race -- A fun little game
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith Library IV -- The rules here are making me sweat still 15 years later.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

The Pelennorship ~ Forest Vs Diamonds -- Unfortunately incomplete, seemed interesting.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Enemy Lines Sign Up ~ White Company -- An in-depth RPG, to be sure.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

The Minas Tirith Thief Hunt ~ Game Nineteen -- A thread non-Gondorians could actually participate in!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

The Pelennorship ~ Monarchs Vs Outriders -- Well now I'm even more interested, there was like a whole league of this or something!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Ranger Reserves - Basic Training VI -- WHYYY with the pink?
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith Announcement Hall VI -- Cuts off really short, too bad.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Trade Routes - Pelargir -- I don't even know what to say. MT was to the plaza as EVE Online is to MMO's?
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith’s Mail~The Roquen Express XXII -- The next post office thread. Yay continuity!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

The Pelennorship ~ Eagles Vs Diablos -- I'm realizing too late that basically all the threads on this capture load, I could have just summarized into one link. Oh well, too late now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Southern Storm & Northern Wind RPG XVIII -- At least occasional threads of this RPG have loaded *sigh*
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

The Horn of Gondor XLV -- Pub thread, you know the drill. And if you don't, there's tons of guidelines to follow!
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

The Ranger Competition: Hand to Hand Combat -- Cool thread, funny OP
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Enemy Lines RPG ~ Ithilien Dawn -- Faramir on display, Eleowyn as Eowyn, but incomplete.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

WTR Editor’s Office ~ (Feb Edition) -- You no longer have to feel bad about reading the white-out anti-spoiler stuff, seeing as how it's already over.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Minas Tiriths Helpdesk for Newbies LXVI -- Some of the questions in here...
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

The Minas Tirith Marketplace XXVII -- Just look at the pre-script to the first shop owner that posts. LOOK AT IT
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Minas Tirith’s City Hall XCI -- These Roman numerals are at the point where you need a degree like mine to read them geez
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

Merethrond ~ XL -- Kind of the only ruler thread where you really get that feeling of fear that you'd probably have in front of a real life King and Queen.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310053 ... Position=1

Rangers’ Headquarters CLXIV -- Alright I'm seeing here that Gondor DOES still have an assassin division, so I must have just been confused earlier.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050310054 ... Position=1

The Dungeon - A New Master -- There's a Shrek dragon icon in here that does NOT match the tone of this thread at all

https://web.archive.org/web/20051121042 ... Position=1

NPC Ownership Registration -- Why does it not surprise me that NPCs were a hierarchically restricted process?
https://web.archive.org/web/20051128094 ... Position=1

The Tower Guard XXXIV -- The pink posts...just seems like such a terrible choice.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051127194 ... Position=1

That concludes 2005. Warning, I'm looking ahead at 2006 and uh...things look sparse.

KingODuckingham · Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:55 am

Here we are in the bleak, load-less lands of 2006. Here's hoping.
2006

*comes crawling back to this post after quite a long, fruitless search*

You aren't going to believe this, but despite several distinct kingdom captures, many of which had threads with several pages, after clicking on every single one, I could not get even one individual page to load for the entire year. Not one. It's so surprising to me that I might try again later just to prove to myself it wasn't a temporary wayback machine issue (those happen sometimes) or something wrong with my internet. But if it's the case, as I actually suspect it is, it's very sad for a whole year to be basically lost.

I'm sorry, I tried.

Arnyn · Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:56 am

I love your comments to some of these threads, Ducky

Made me click a whole lot more than I originally intended.

Thank you for this!

KingODuckingham · Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:26 pm

I am also sorry I don't know my Gondorians well enough to tag you all in relevant threads. Gonna try to keep a closer eye out from now on but also not over-tag (aka more than once) so just because I didn't tag you doesn't mean you didn't post in a thread.
There appears to be a -very- long gap, since the first capture in 2007 of the Gondor page comes in October. So that's fun. Also, unless otherwise stated, despite the 2007 plaza supporting multi-page threads, only the first pages load.
2007

Harnen Mouth: Rangers RPG -- The important background OOC thread for this RPG doesn't load, more's the pity for me. I think I see @Aigronding Mordagnir with a horse icon? And @Arnyn as acting captain?
https://web.archive.org/web/20071118081 ... TID=217194

Minas Tirith Mail ~ The Roquen Express XXXIV -- I spot @SidraLockel Eltoran @Veowyn @Brandybuck @Isolde Alarion and a Stybba special rank, is that a Rohan SCR? Incredible looking.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071231024 ... TID=211322

ERC -- Ranger Reserves - Basic Training XIV -- There's a rank on display here I don't think I've ever seen before: Ar-Pharazon! @Finduilas Faelivrin sporting it
https://web.archive.org/web/20080923164 ... TID=207850

Tower Guard - Dark Summit FULL RANGERS -- @Turin Ringhûn and @Pele Alarion are in here, along with some others previously mentioned.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071025023 ... TID=218315

Tavern of the Seven Stars- Fall Masque -- @Rowena Ellenweorc I see you there, past the name changes! I also see an Imrahil SCR.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071012151 ... TID=222758

Newbies Helpdesk LXXX -- They really cleaned this thread up over the years, looks much better imo
https://web.archive.org/web/20070222233 ... TID=213062

Rangers Headquarters - CLXXXII -- I'm realizing, I guess, that Faramir was a ruler icon at this point?
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011172 ... TID=215254

Minas Tirith City Hall - CXX -- "Yay the pink is going away" is the only quote that matters from this thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20071124074 ... TID=221766

Quote Bank (all please) -- A pinned thread, and an Elladan icon
https://web.archive.org/web/20070222233 ... TID=212905

Findy's Chocolate Mania - Plazaversary Game -- Only the last page of the thread loads, but you can still see the OP.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071011173 ... 52#6554552

IK Debate Signup Thread -- Of all the threads to load...
https://web.archive.org/web/20080518070 ... TID=223142

Halloween: The Trojan Horse Pub -- The least rules I ever saw in Gondor on the old plaza. @Liläth I see you in there!
https://web.archive.org/web/20071121083 ... TID=223383

Glorious and Glamorous Gondorians IX -- @Karis Ziranphel and @Dincairwen in a picture together here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20071114111 ... TID=223025

Ok, that's about all I see. I admit I didn't check every single page of the threads--Gondor had few threads, but many ran very long, and I didn't want to click a dozen times per thread just to see if a random page in the middle loaded, especially since the chances are so slim. If you want to see whether page 6 of the Houses of Healing for the year will load, be my guest lol.

Eriol · Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:59 pm

I don't know if OOC comments are permitted here but thanks, @KingODuckingham ! I used to be in Rohan for a little while back in the Goldmoon days.

Rowena Ellenweorc · Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:18 pm

HOLY SNIKEYS!!!!!!!!! I think you may have found my first Gondor posts @KingODuckingham (And it took every fiber of my being not to insert what the Ellenweorcs fondly call blacksmith language in my excitement hahahaha)

Arnyn · Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:25 pm

omg that Harnen Mouth RPG! I can feel the hours slipping away already * reads*

Edit: ughhh of course not hours... just the first page was saved by the wayback machine!

KingODuckingham · Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:38 pm

Back to the grind.
2008

The Snowed-Inn [Pub] -- This loaded on a 2008 capture but really is a December 2007 thread, oh well. A rare 2 page loading thread, btw, so almost the whole thing.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080223125 ... TID=224199

Minas Tirith thief hunt - Series 4 - Game XIX -- Bit of a snore of a thread
https://web.archive.org/web/20080203195 ... TID=225168

The King's Tower of Tales -- Unfortunately you can't see the actual Aragorn icon under the silly Troy-themed Halloween icons that are over-represented in the archives for some reason.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080207074 ... TID=224875

Rangers Headquarters - CLXXXlll -- Some links work here (like to the then Ranger roster) and some don't. Might want to explore if you're interested.
https://web.archive.org/web/20071227171 ... TID=224351

Newbie Helpdesk LXXXI -- Someone want to tell me who "George Rider" is with 21 thousand posts but only 28 points? Was that Roh or something?
https://web.archive.org/web/20080325212 ... TID=224029

April SCRs - Congrats Nurbor (encore) & Rochir -- Don't be fooled by the updating title, this was a post originally from Jan 1st. and lists the SCRs for January, February, and March, in addition to the April ones in the title. @Nienna was Ioreth for January!
https://web.archive.org/web/20080408150 ... TID=224659

Minas Tirith thief hunt - Series 4 - Game XXIII -- whyyyyy do these load who cares about thief hunt after its over ARGH
https://web.archive.org/web/20080421111 ... TID=226309

The Horn of Gondor LXXV -- Pub thread, some appearances from folk I've already tagged.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080412190 ... TID=226196

Minas Tirith City Hall CXXII -- Ruler thread @Turin Ringhûn really curious what those numbers are all about tbh
https://web.archive.org/web/20080612124 ... TID=226182

Character Building Activity - Survey Part Two -- Another 2007 thread that didn't appear when I was searching 2007, but that's good because here you can actually see Jevesh's Aragorn icon. Also highly recommend checking this out if you are trying to rebuild your character on new plaza and you posted here, detailed survey!
https://web.archive.org/web/20070222233 ... TID=213465

MT Houses of Healing II -- Personally really liked the color coding on this entry of HoH
https://web.archive.org/web/20081026163 ... TID=227129

RANGERS ROSTER (updated 21apr08) -- An explicit thread rather than a kingdom page
https://web.archive.org/web/20080422194 ... TID=226502

The Mermaids Embrace VI -- A pub thread with a bit of a unique setting
https://web.archive.org/web/20080928173 ... TID=228631

ERC - Cold Trail RPG (new Rangers only) -- Or rangers being reinstated
https://web.archive.org/web/20080923164 ... asp?FID=17

Minas Tirith City Hall CXXIII -- @Finduilas Faelivrin sporting a beautiful Yavanna icon at this point
https://web.archive.org/web/20081201154 ... TID=228241

Thus concludes 2008. I'll be making two more posts here, one for 2009 (the last year of the kingdoms) and one for the subforum. Cheers!

Esme · Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:55 pm

aw, good times! and wonderful memories, thanks a bunch, @KingODuckingham . I loved that hag-gy icon !

KingODuckingham · Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:13 am

Last year before kingdoms turned into regions! Let's see what survived.
2009

IK Racing : Valinor vs Minas Tirith Week 5 -- Really cut short (I hope, participation was also abysmal).
https://web.archive.org/web/20090213213 ... TID=231406

Minas Tirith City Hall CXXV -- Again, very cut short. Also a bunch of the icons won't load for me.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090309072 ... TID=231891

That is actually all that loads for me from 2009, so I'll dump The North Kingdom (the OOC kingdom subforum) here too. It looks a little strange because the only capture somehow comes from 2010 after the kingdoms were gone, but...stuff still loads. You all may be particularly interested in the record of plazaversaries and birthdays.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100204113 ... asp?FID=54

Every thread on that page capture loads (even the later pages, mostly!) with the following exceptions, listed in ascending order:

Dor Moretirith OOC
Minas Tirith Master NPC Catalog
MT Character Creation Guidelines

If someone else has threads I missed, icons, calendars, timelines, stuff from 2010 onwards, whatever, post away, this ain't my thread, I just have been trying to find as many threads that load as possible.

Turin Ringhûn · Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:30 pm

Hey duck. I took a look at that numbers thing. I honestly don’t remember what the answer was. I know I was deployed at the time, but I can’t make the numbers fit into that. And the comments about a jailbreak, I remember doing a silly little rp where my character busted an box NPC (edit 7/20) of mine out of the dungeons (for which I got a nice slap on the wrist for not informing the dungeon master of the story I was planning) but I don’t remember if that was related. I’m sorry.

What makes it worse, the email I was using at the time, though I still have it, has been purged of all the old emails, so I can’t even look back to see if I talked about it back then. I know I was active on msn messenger at the time, but those conversations are long gone too. Who knows. Sorry.

Azdiur · Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:38 am

Thanks for digging those up :)

I can see some of my early Ranger RP posts (though thank goodness it looks like my first few months of them are lost to the Void...) Definitely a weird feeling looking through those and gradually getting to a point where all the names are ones I recognize, then continuing on until suddenly almost none of them are.

KingODuckingham · Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:58 am

Ahh that's too bad Turin, but I understand how it goes. There's a maddening amount of material related to the Old Plaza that I have forgotten, lost, deleted, or whatever else have you. Fun mystery though!

And Azdiur, I agree, I have gotten some very weird feelings looking at posts I very obviously made in threads I very obviously participated in, and yet I can't remember anything about it. It's like hearing my own voice recorded, I know it's me but it seems completely foreign. I also agree about trying to forget some of my own earliest posts LOL

Karis Ziranphel · Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:18 pm

I must admit my interests lie in the more recent history. I will update this post as I find more that work. These are from looking at MT during 2015 on the Wayback Machine.
This MT and Vicinity thread goes from April 2014-September 2015 and covers several people's stories.http://web.archive.org/web/201509100038 ... RP-thread)
Followup in 2016 with a few more posts: http://www.lotrplaza.com/showthread.php ... ead)/page2

The Army headquarters from 2012 until 2015. Some of Maldir's excellent writing and many a character's army beginnings during the Shadowlands period (Kaylin's first appearance for example). There may be some later, but this was one of the latest that I have gotten to work. http://web.archive.org/web/201510160957 ... adquarters

Fiefdoms of Gondor II - April 2014-October 2015. Some excellent interaction between Shamara and Kaylin in disguise. http://web.archive.org/web/201510160957 ... -Gondor-II

Lucky Meeting Interregional Army RPG with Gondor and Rohan involvement. 2013-2014 http://web.archive.org/web/201503230934 ... l-Army-RPG

Tavern of the Seven Stars Midwinter Ball II - December 2013 through 2014 http://web.archive.org/web/201509100033 ... er-Ball-II

I haven't poked all links yet, but here is a link to the Shadowlands in 2016: http://web.archive.org/web/201603071609 ... owed-Lands
edit: One of the very few links that work on the MT page from 2016 actually leads to the 2015 archive of the Old Guesthouse. Some good storytelling. http://web.archive.org/web/201509211052 ... sthouse-II

Karis Ziranphel · Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:08 pm

Going a bit earlier in time, here is the MT page from 2013. Several of the links work, including the first Midwinter ball, the Wayfarer's Inn, and the Southern Futility RPG. (That I have checked so far)
http://web.archive.org/web/201301281314 ... nas-Tirith

and from much earlier, this Army HQ and Barracks from 2011-2012 http://web.archive.org/web/201507031209 ... p-Barracks

Dimcairien Luiniel · Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:23 am

Found the original Gondor icons. I think the white trees are a huge improvement. These ones remind me a little too much of the Sleeping Beauty Castle.

1.Child of Gondor 2. Youth of Gondor 3. Peasant of Gondor 4. Foot Soldier of Gondor 5. Guard of Gondor 6. Captain of Gondor 7. Counsellor of Gondor 8. Steward of Gondor

KingODuckingham · Thu Aug 13, 2020 6:06 am

Dunno why it didn't occur to me before to link the remarkably well-preserved kingdom pages for MT. One of the great things about it is that it preserves some of the ruler icon changes better than the threads themselves do (although the latest capture that I'm giving here, in 2009, doesn't store either icon). Too many pages to list, but I'm fairly sure some of you would be interested in things like the most recent Ranger roster and biographies and things like that. There's also really extensive guides to many thread locations like the Houses of Healing that, especially if you worked on it, you might want to see again @Pele Alarion looks to have written the HoH one, for example. Not every single thing loads, but most of it does.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090816192 ... efault.asp